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      • ⚥ ♀ Romantic Classic -- The Sexy Sophisticate
      • ♀ ♂ Romantic Dramatic -- The Vamp
      • ♀ ♀ Romantic Ethereal -- Aphrodite
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      • ♀ ♂ Dramatic Ingenue -- The Childlike Czarina
      • ♂ ♂ Dramatic Natural -- The Amazon Queen
      • ⚥ ♀ Ethereal Classic -- The Delicate Sophisticate
      • ♀ ♂ Ethereal Dramatic -- The Sorceress
      • ♀ ♂ Ethereal Gamine -- The Sprite
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      • ♀ ♂ Ethereal Natural -- The Earth Goddess
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      • ⚥ ♂ Natural Classic -- The Prep
      • ♂ ♂ Natural Gamine -- The Tomboy
      • ♀ ♂ Natural Ingenue -- The Outdoorsy Sweetheart
      • ⚥ ♀ Romantic Classic -- The Sexy Sophisticate
      • ♀ ♂ Romantic Dramatic -- The Vamp
      • ♀ ♀ Romantic Ethereal -- Aphrodite
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Feminine Visual Beauty

5/3/2015

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Before discussing Romantic, Ingenue, and Ethereal types in detail, I want to generally discuss what feminine means in the Style Identity system.

Let me start by being clear that feminine beauty is not the only type of beauty. Dramatics, Naturals, and Gamines all embody beauty that isn't traditionally feminine, but is powerful nonetheless. And Classics are beautiful with a femininity that is subtle and restrained. 

Before continuing, I should also let you know that right after this paragraph is a picture of a sculpture of a naked woman. Art, as far as I'm concerned, but probably NSFW for some people. 


Pause, pause, pause...


OK, let's dive in.  :-)

Feminine Visual Beauty

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``````````The Woman of Willendorf is about 30,000 years old. ```````` We know that not all women look like this. But we also know that this shape is particular to women.

When we look at another human, we perceive their physical characteristics and make a judgment about their gender almost instantaneously. 

This is usually an unconscious process. When it's not unconscious and not immediate, it surprises us -- hence our fascination with androgynous people.
Humans are not as sexually dimorphic as many primates. Average visual differences between women and men are objectively small. A visitor from another planet might not notice the differences.

But we humans are exquisitely sensitive to them. 

Which makes sense from an evolutionary perspective:  if an animal can't easily tell who's a potential mate, that animal might not pass on her genes.
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Average visual differences between women and men are objectively small, but we're exquisitely sensitive to them. 
Here are many of the ways in which men and women, on average, visually differ. 
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Descriptors of the masculine and feminine style identities derive from these differences.

For example, because narrow-seeming eyes are more characteristic of men than of women, they characterize the masculine (or "yang") style identities.

Because narrow chins are more characteristic of women than of men, they characterize the feminine (or "yin") style identities.

And so on.


The curving line.

Perhaps the defining element of visual femininity -- what immediately and strongly reads as feminine -- is the curving line. 
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Curved lines read as feminine because, from head to toe, the average human female has more obvious curving lines than the average human male -- in the curved hip, in the breast, in the apparently rounder eye,  in the apparently rounder face, in the fuller lip, and so on.
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All of the feminine style identities are defined by curving lines. 

But the type of curving line depends on the style identity. More on that soon.

Categorizing the visual feminine: Romantic is not the only type of feminine beauty.

The Romantic type, which is present in all style systems that I know of, is defined by lush, round curves and mature, womanly femininity. 
In many systems, Romantic --also called Alluring, Sensuous, Soft,  or Sexy -- is the only type of feminine beauty.
Systems who conceptualize Romantic as the only type of feminine beauty are flawed, though, because people can read as beautiful and distinctly feminine without reading as va-va-voom.

Romantic does seem to be the variety of feminine beauty that men mainly notice -- which might explain why it's the only kind of visual feminine in some systems created by men.
But I agree with John Kitchener and others who believe that visual femininity can be fairly divided into three subcategories.

Romantic, Ingenue, and Ethereal.

All people who are discernibly female have some amount of Romantic, Ethereal, or Ingenue. These are the the three feminine style identities. 

A woman without any amount of any of these would appear as a man, or completely androgynous. 

Which is, of course,  its own kind of beauty; "feminine" does not equal beautiful, as I tried to emphasize in the beginning of this post.
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Jenny Shimizu.
If someone visually reads as distinctly feminine, you're seeing a rather large portion of Ingenue, Romantic, or Ethereal. 

But which is it?
  • The Ingenue visually signals youthfulness and innocence.  She looks natural with a sincere, full smile. You might instinctively describe her as girlish and pretty. 

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Ingenue curving lines are small and neat -- round eyes, round cheeks, small curls in the hair, a small bust, a curving but somewhat narrow figure.

  • The Romantic visually signals confidence, maturity, and sensuality. Though she's no more or less sexual than any other human, her resting face tends to read as a "come-hither" expression.  You wouldn't hesitate to apply the word "sexy" to her.
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Romantic curving lines are generous, larger than the Ingenue's, and less defined  -- ample hips, a large bust, large waves in thick, full hair, fleshy arms and legs, full lips. 


  • The Ethereal visually signals wisdom and detachment from the physical world. She looks like herself when she's gazing at a far-off point or smiling knowingly. You might  think of her as beautiful, or just unusual-looking; she doesn't read as youthful or overtly sexy. 
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Ethereal curving lines are elongated S-curves -- a tall, willowy figure, a long face, gentle waves in long hair.






If it has occurred to you that these three types of visual femininity sound an awful lot like the faces of the Threefold Goddess -- Maiden, Mother, and Crone -- then all I can say is, great minds think alike.

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Maiden = Ingenue? Mother = Romantic? Crone = Ethereal? I buy it.

My next posts will be more detailed individual explorations of Romantics, Ingenues, and Ethereals, in that order. 

I know many of you are like
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The good news is, they're already partially drafted.  :-))


P.S.

A fun way to gauge your relative amounts of masculine beauty (Dramatic, Natural, and Gamine) and feminine beauty (Romantic, Ingenue, Ethereal) is to determine whether you'd be convincing in drag. 

If you're a woman, could you pass as a man? If you're a man, could you pass as a woman?
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Here, Glenn Close  is pulling it off pretty well. There's no question she has a lot of Natural or Dramatic.
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Hillary Swank -- Another beautiful woman with a lot of Natural or Dramatic.
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Not even a Photoshopped beard can make Salma Hayek look masculine, though. She has too much Romantic.
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Here's a man, Cillian Murphy, who makes a gorgeous woman. He's got a ton of Romantic or Ethereal. 
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Lee Pace has a lot of Ingenue, I'm thinking? Very believable.
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Liev Schreiber, not so much. I'm thinking he's mostly Natural with some Classic and Gamine.

64 Comments
Mary Ellen
1/23/2015 03:39:46 pm

How awesome it is for each of us to understand our own type of beauty! Every woman from teenage years and beyond should have the information shared in this Web site.

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Deb Benjamin
1/23/2015 04:02:02 pm

I'm loving this series and am so happy to see this latest entry.
Who knew there were so many categories of beauty?

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Kirsten I.
1/23/2015 05:12:42 pm

Excellent P.S.! I know I can't pass as a man even if I'm dressed to look like one. (Julie Andrews doesn't look like a man when she's dressed like one in VICTOR VICTORIA, either. No wonder James Garner is so confused!)

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AC
1/24/2015 02:30:21 am

Thank you so much for this very good article. They all are. And yes, I can hardly wait for the next ones - but I so respect and appreciate the meticulous work you put into these articles. They remain a source I return to over and over. Quality takes time and this is worth the wait. Thank you for your honesty and for clarifying things. Thank you for having the guts to use the terms masculine and feminine, which I much prefer to the semi religious yin/yang stuff.

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Sandwelch
1/25/2015 02:45:11 am

Heartily cosigned on all points! This is my favorite source for color/body shape theory, by far.

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Sally L.
1/25/2015 11:36:19 am

Another great, informative article, Rachel! I found it very interesting. Thanks for putting in the time to write it and share it with us. :)

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Morgan
1/26/2015 01:34:48 am

But Winona Ryder couldn´t ever pass as a man, and you classify her as a Gamine (masculine energy). Can you explain it, please?

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Rachel
1/26/2015 04:57:44 am

I think she could pass as an adorable boy -- which makes sense, since Gamine beauty is boyish. I can't find an image to support this believe, but I can see it in my head.

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Vanessa link
1/29/2015 08:34:55 am

Perhaps for Gs the question is: would you cast her as Peter Pan? :)

Bluebell
1/26/2015 02:14:02 am

A very informative article indeed, thank you for the insights! :) I have a question, though. Would it be correct to assume that everybody who has a large bust has a touch of Romantic in them, even if their face does not seem to hint at Romantic? It seems to be the only essence that lists this characteristic everywhere I've read so far.

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Rachel
1/26/2015 05:00:55 am

I would say often, but not always. If every other single part of a woman's body says Natural, for example, it might look strange for her to include Romantic touches in her ensemble just because of a large bust.

A lot of dressing -- especially the details -- is for the face. There's a reason that facial characteristics often make up half of the checklists of the physical traits of each type. That's another blog post -- Dressing For Your Face.

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Bluebell
1/27/2015 06:41:47 am

That makes sense, thank you!

Solania
1/29/2015 04:13:35 am

Naturals, not all but some of them, can be big-breasted. I'm a big breasted Gamine Natural. (It is what I have concluded to be the best fit after much study). I'm only 5' tall but have a C cup. My face has very little of the Romantic essence if at all.

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Rachel Arnt-Schemmel
1/26/2015 07:31:16 am

OK, here she is as an adolescent:

http://www.thatericalper.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ryder.jpg

She also has a lot of Romantic, and you can see that here, in her eyes. She reads as a pretty boy.

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Sally L.
1/30/2015 07:05:06 pm

Yes, she does! My son had a friend that looked just like this when he was about this age.

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Kirsten I.
1/26/2015 11:50:13 am

Speaking of Gamine features, I seem to recall that Leslie Caron's were identified as such, especially in images of her with short hair. She was also a ballet dancer, and that requires boundless energy and muscle tone. I can see her features as boyish. I have a real problem with seeing Audrey Hepburn as boyish, though, even though she was classed as Gamine. This may be because I'm accustomed to seeing her as a great lady, but I don't think her facial features were boyish either. Her nose was rather long and slender, and her large dark eyes seemed more dreamy than impish. Her slenderness and height, but above all her face, which I always saw as beautiful rather than cute, seemed to qualify her for a more recently designated category--Ethereal. Photos of her as Rima the Bird Girl in Green Mansions (with Anthony Perkins) do look Ethereal, but even in The Nun's Story, where only her face is always visible when she's wearing a nun's habit, I can't see her as boyish. She looks Ethereal to me.

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Solania
1/29/2015 12:04:24 am

I looked at photos of Audrey from 'How To Steal A Million' and if it weren't for her heavy eye makeup I can say she looked androgynous. At least for me she did. Especially her profile shot. In a few photos I even found a trace of a 'stache. The potential is there. If someone skilled enough with Photoshop had the time to, they could simply erase the heavy eye makeup.

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Solania
1/29/2015 04:33:07 am

Hi Rachel. I like the way you think. You have a gift of finding connections that may only seem obvious after you have presented them. Defining these concepts and making them easy to grasp is another.
I have so many, many questions and I know you can't answer all of them all at once. With patience, over time I find the answers to them here and there in your articles, on your boards as well as those of others on Pinterest.
I've created new boards on Pinterest as I continue to explore the different types of beauty. I hope you'll check them out. I value your take on things and welcome your comments.

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Diane
2/4/2015 12:11:41 pm

I think that the picture of Hilary swank without make up does not mean she looks like a boy. I think that most women without make up look like boys. I don't think we can say if someone has natural or dramatic because they aren't wearing make up. People have thought I was a boy with my hair cut short and no make up. Without any makeup I think that I look like a boy. If I put on boy clothes then people would probably think I am a boy but can we say what style identity I am because I look like a boy? I don't know its just a thought that I had that most women without make up do not look "feminine." Katy Perry with and without make up is a huge difference. I don't know I think that make up plays a huge role in the way we look and our style identity. I am having a hard time getting what I mean to come out in what I write.

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Solania
2/8/2015 12:08:57 am

Makeup makes a huge difference no doubt about it. But it has its limits which is why some people resort to plastic surgery to change the way they look. Try to imagine beautifully made-up Hilary Swank's head photoshopped on a more feminine body such as Salma Hayek's or Elizabeth Taylor's or Dita Von Teese's and you would know something's not right. Some women are simply built more like men and some men are built more like women simple as that and that's OK. Hilary Swank is indeed feminine but her feminine is not the same kind as those of the other ladies mentioned. Clothes that look exemplary (think hot) on Dita Von Teese et al would not have the same effect on Hilary which is what we've been lead to believe for a very, very long time by the people who has most to gain from this belief. Namely, the folks in the fashion industry.

The definition of exemplary: "serving as a desirable model; representing the best of its kind."

Unfortunately for us and for Hilary, Salma Hayek's or Elizabeth Taylor's or Dita Von Teese's type of feminine do not represent the wide variety of feminine that exists in the world.

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Jubilee Patgiri
8/30/2019 09:24:26 am

Hi! After reading your comment, I have been led to conclude thats maybe you should explore the gamine style identity as gamines can pass for a boy in the right clothes and maybe without makeup.. and I do agree with the author here that romantic beauty is not the only type of beauty and sexiness. I mean look at Rihanna.. she may be a romantic but would we see her as sexy without her gamine spunk and edge?

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Kristy
2/8/2015 12:43:56 am

Just a thought - I have very natural-type facial features, that could be why I feel like a drag queen when I'm completely made up! There are other natural celebrities, someone like Jennifer Aniston, for example, who look ridiculous in colorful or obvious makeup. Another way to tell if you're natural, dramatic, or gamine, I think.

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Rachel Arnt-Schemmel
2/8/2015 12:42:13 pm

This is a great insight -- thank you for sharing it! Yes, Jennifer Aniston in Liz Taylor or Megan Fox - style makeup would look drag queen-ish. This will be a very useful test. :-)

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Mary Ellen
2/8/2015 04:47:22 pm

Do you think that people's personalities match their physical features? That is do you think naturals prefer to wear less make up and Romantics prefer to wear more? What happens if a person looks like a dramatic but once to dress like a romantic? Are people's style types usually in sync with your personalities?

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Rachel Arnt-Schemmel
2/8/2015 01:00:11 pm

Great point. The fashion-industrial complex tries to convince us that we can all look like celebrities by imitating their styles -- but it's a lie. Ns imitating Rs or Is look mannish, and Rs imitating Ns or Ds look like men's magazine centerfolds.

Most of us want to be beautiful. I love the Style Identity System because it empowers women (and men!) to be beautiful by *being themselves* -- and lets us get off the fashion merry-go-round forever.

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K
2/9/2015 04:36:38 pm

What do you mean by 'men's magazine centerfolds'?

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K
2/10/2015 08:44:26 pm

Do you mean nude magazines? Because as a R, when I wear N or D clothes I do NOT look worthy of a centerfold. I look D U M P Y.

Mary Ellen
2/8/2015 04:18:53 pm

Wow! Some really insightful readers waiting in here. Do you think that people naturally gravitate towards their style type for example do you think a person's personality usually matches the facial features they display?

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Rachel Arnt-Schemmel
2/8/2015 10:37:50 pm

I don't think personalities and physical features correlate at all. The belief that they do is one of my main problems with systems like Zyla's and Kibbe's. It's an idea that's straight-up racist -- because it means that human populations with little physical diversity would also have little personality diversity. Are we really prepared to say that 100 randomly chosen Japanese women are more psychologically similar to each other than 100 randomly chosen American women? That would be ridiculous.

I do think people are often drawn to the lines and colors that harmonize with their physical selves. Few of us are specifically taught how to dress ourselves attractively, but with the passage of time many of us eventually figure out colors and lines that do and don't work for ourselves, without necessarily being able to articulate the underlying principles that define those colors and lines.

But I also often see people drawn to lines and colors that are totally unflattering. For example, I adore Dramatic elements in design, but I have zero Dramatic in my physical self. I tend to gravitate toward Dramatic clothing choices without realizing it. I do let myself have Dramatic nightgowns. :-)

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Diane
2/9/2015 01:36:53 am

I have a question. I cannot figure out my style identity. What would be your advice to figuring out your own style identity? Some style Identities are easy to understand like classic and romantic. Classic are symmetrical and romantic are voluptuous its easy to understand those but the one I do not understand is gamine. Do you agree that it is easier to understand some style identities more than others?

When I think of all the style identities I cant think of any that I would fit into. I can pretend to be a style identity but it feels fake. How do you know your true style identity?

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Bluebell
2/9/2015 04:59:56 am

Oh, I think they do. And my only reason for believing so is, of course, that it is one and the same organism, one and the same person, and it would make no sense for our inner self to be one way, and then our appearance to be another.
Also, I don't think there are any populations with a very limited diversity - it is just that this diversity is very difficult to pick up at a casual glance. It's the same as your example of three different redheads with pale skin being three different seasons (again - subtle differences of colouring that are not immediately apparent).
However, I also do not support the thesis - you are a gamine, hence you are an immature - it is not that simplistic. But we do subconsciously evaluate people all the time just by looking at them - this person looks friendly, this one looks determined, this one looks like they are very curious. Now this, I think, is influenced by things like posture, walk, speech, manners, but I am not entirely sure we can rule out that we are also influenced by body shape and colouring. So I am more inclined to believe that there is a link between personality and appearance, but I don't think we should draw conclusions on the personality based on appearance, until we have found out more about this.

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C
6/2/2017 10:21:20 am

While i do think that personality can influence style identity, through body language and mannerisms, i don't think personality influences your best color palette. It might change HOW you use your palette, but your colors are your colors, they are entirely physical and have nothing to do with the movement of the body. If something happened to someone's brain that changed their personality, their palette would stay exactly the same. But they might change how they use it.

For style, however, i do see personality changing it, because personality determines how we move. Just as the drape and movement of a fabric helps determine what style it is suited for. Two dresses may be the same shape, but one is made of thin flowy fabric, making it Ethereal, and the other is made of stiff structured fabric, making it Dramatic.

I do however, think personality takes second fiddle to physical shape. The first impression of someone is likely to be made on a purely physical level. And you can type someone with a still photo, which says nothing about their personality.

Dianne
12/26/2018 02:11:57 pm

Found out more? Please consider the fact that psychologists and psychiatrists have long since rejected any sort of equivalency between physical appearance and personality. I studied psychology & biology and you cannot tell someone's character or behaviour by the lines in their body. There *was* a pseudoscience called phrenology popular in Victorian times, where people tried to understand someone's mind via the bumps on their heads and which has been completely discredited. That's what this idea of assigning character based on the shell of the body reminds me of. But psychologists have shown that there is a defense mechanism where people PROJECT there own characteristics onto others. Assigning characteristics to someone based on how they look is simply stereotyping. Many people do this in in order to feel comfortable and not have to actually consider who is IN there when they look at another human being. Stereotyping like this is dangerous and here is why, For example you could be a thorough-going rotter but have loads of ingenue or romantic and really take people for a giant ride. Or a serial killer who parlays such false perceptions of character and personality into victims - just look at Ted Bundy's face - he has plenty of romantic cut with classic. Buying into this false equivalency between looks and personality is thus flat out dangerous since it can lead people to trust dangerous people and to fear and reject good people simply because they have a strong dramatic look. Just because someone has a Natural face does not mean they are easy going or trustworthy or anything at all! If you do want to see who is inside a body and behind a face it's important to pay attention to behaviour. I have also noticed that many people can sense something is off by someone by paying attention to the light in the person's eyes. Psychopaths exhibit a peculiar steely hypnotic kind of stare to them. That will tell you the person is dangerous. But it has nothing to do with the way their bones and flesh look.

Quillet
2/9/2015 07:32:16 am

Yes..! personalities come in all shapes.
There might be some cultural similarities, but: the same body would come across as very different inhabited by e.g. an ENTJ mind instead of an ISFJ one. Behaviour WILL differ substantially between these two and it will be impossible to respond the same way to both.

I'm trying to imagine D nightgowns now, lol!
For me the lure is N. I'm an INTJ with Asperger's and the grounded simplicity of N describes my longingly wishful thinking about what my life would ideally be like..
Physically I've a heavy dose of Ethereal, mixed (most likely) with Classic.. and so look lacklustre and swamped by rugged N styles (pure C isn't much better though - makes me look like an office slave - discovering E and getting out of the Kibbe cage was a relief). Also: I'm not entirely comfortable with attention (including eye contact) and I'm a Bright Spring.. I tried dressing in neutrals as part of the C package and felt mentally drained. So back to my bright medium corals/oranges/reds, hot pinks, blues and greens (yay!) - at least I'll be happy, avoiding attention.. On the other hand: now that I've felt my way to a reasonable style baseline, this mix does portray my.. originality.. quite nicely, as well as soften my analytical directness (because, well.. it's not entirely intentional); I'm basically a "nutty professor".

I think that whatever style type and personality, interpretation is key - not essence.

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Solania
2/9/2015 10:44:17 pm

For better or for worse conformity will be a major driving point in expressing individual beauty or essentially "self" in Asian cultures. It is evidenced for example by plastic surgery now being a regular part of a young girl's (or boy's) life in South Korea whose middle-class parents gift it to them as a going-off to University good luck charm. Apparently it's never too early to give them an advantage over their peers in a very competitive job market. What is popular or mainstream takes precedence over what is unique.
In Hollywood the diverse types of beauty is well-represented. I can't say the same of the Asian counterparts.

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larisa
7/24/2021 11:24:18 am

Rachel
You are genious with your color system, and now with your styles system.

You do look to me like a Dramatic. You convinced yourself that you are an Ethereal.

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Diane
2/9/2015 02:06:31 am

I wanted to add some more to my comment.

I think I am some kind of ingénue.

I think ingénue could be one of the rarest types. It is hard to find a lot of ingénue women.

I notice on your site the blended style identities section there are no pictures for most of the ingenues. I understand because it Is hard to find pictures of them. They must not be very popular for modeling.

I think that ingénue is not a traditional style identity. Like classic and romantic those would be more traditional. I find its easy to find pictures of romantic ingenues. They are really popular for modeling. But the rest of the ingenues not so easy to find.

Like in kibbe there is no ingénue. When I try to find my style in his system I could never find it. I think its because Im an ingénue. I always loved little heart shaped lockets with filigree design on them. I think that's ingénue. I always felt I was a little child and wanted to stay a child forever. My mom calls me a little kid even when I became an adult.
This is what leads me to believe I am an ingénue because of my choice of jewelry and looking at the pictures of ingenues you have on your site I compare them to my facial features and it looks like my facial features.

Ingenues seem to have a child like innocence and face that reflects that. Innocent eyes and a big smile. Their cheeks also seem a little pudgy like little kids cheeks. I always had big cheeks as a kid and wondered why its probably because Im an ingénue. Ingenue is another identity I believe is harder to understand than others. Do you believe some style identities are more complex than others?

I had another idea. You could say about the style identities how they should do their hair and make up. I have no clue how to do my hair and make up. I walk around everyday with no make up and nothing done to my hair and I feel uncomfortable like this. I don't know what ingénue hair and makeup really looks like.

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Kate
2/13/2015 08:58:19 am

Just wanted to throw it in that I think Jenny Shimizu looks very constrained by her outfit, hair included. When I look at her I see a lot of ovals in her face. Cheek-apples, lips - very full and round, jaw line, cheekbones. Probably hair-line under the hair? I can imagine her looking quite different in different hair/clothing/make-up.

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Tanja
2/13/2015 09:18:23 am

I just had a thought about the Gamine-Ingenue mixtype... Could the elements of it might be found in the Geek-, Nerd- or Emo-style? ^^ To me, these styles seem to be based on boyish elements, but combine with girlish attributes. Also I think, that they work best on slim and rather little persons. People who rock these styles have youthful faces, that look at the same time innocent and keen.
Just wanted to throw that in...

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Rachel Arnt-Schemmel
2/14/2015 06:22:44 am

Aha! Good point.

I should specify that Rs in D/N clothes *that fit their skeletons* look centerfold-y. Man-cut clothes that fit an R in the waist, shoulders and inseam cause the R's womanly flesh to literally bust out at the openings, because the cuts don't allow for the feminine flesh. Men's magazines take advantage of this phenomenon by putting curvy women in boy shorts and tiny tank tops (in sports-themed layouts) or in itty-bitty blazers (in those "naughty businesswoman" - type pics you sometimes see.)

Of course, most Rs don't want to look like this walking down the street. So when they wear N/D clothes, they choose clothes that have room for their curves. Which are then baggy everywhere else -- so they look dumpy, as you say.

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Katie
2/16/2015 11:22:37 am

How do you differentiate from Romantic and Ingenue in the face?
This will help me figure out if I really have any ingenue. I don't fit the description for ingenue at all except the big, round eyes.
Girl's and women's bodies are proportioned completely different, but science shows that their features overlap in the face. Estrogen, the female growth hormone, stunts bone growth, and instead programs the body to use it's energy to make curves, Women didn't need to be big and tall because the men did the hunting. Women between 4'11 and 5'3 are shown to have the highest estrogen levels. Small feet and hands are also correlated with high estrogen. Women's body proportions are completely different than girls because short women with high estrogen levels tend to have proportionately long legs for their bodies, and they are curvy. Girls are slimmer with longer torsos. But because estrogen stunts bone growth feminine women and girls have similar faces. Neoteny (girlish face) has been shown to be the most important factor that determines how men rate the face. The main difference between girl's and women's faces seems to be fat distribution, estrogen causes the lips to fill out (I read once that the top lip develops differently in men and women). The cheek fat is higher in women, whereas children have more fat in the middle or lower face, It has nothing to do with bone structure, estrogen literally causes stunts growth and causes the body to store fat (like in the upper cheeks). I think women have more of an arch in their eyebrows (but I haven't actually read that in a scientific article).

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Katie
2/16/2015 11:26:03 am

Example: Jessica Rabbit. She has a babyish face but she has full lips and arched eyebrows.

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Rachel Arnt-Schemmel
2/16/2015 02:56:38 pm

Hi, Katie! Thank you for contributing all of this. Can you link to some resources? I love this stuff.

You mostly answered your own question the way I would have:

- R cheekbones appear more prominent and cheeks somewhat less full, so the face, while still roundish, has more taper in the bottom half ("heart-shaped," often.)

- R eyebrows have more distinct arches,

- In my own head, I think of the R body as the Platonic ideal of an estrogenized body. So -- petite, very low hip to waist ratio, full bust, full thighs, an abundance of soft curves everywhere. I women are also petite, and of course have female secondary sex characteristics, but the curves are much less exaggerated.

- Because, as you say, R faces and I faces have a good bit of overlap, a lot of the difference between I and R comes down to whether the person projects an awareness of sexuality -- which is largely in the facial expression. The arch in the eyebrow that I observe may not just be a physical difference; it may also be part of the "knowing" look that R faces have and I faces don't. Jennifer Love Hewitt, for example, has a very R body, but her face is so innocent that I don't think she completely pulls off mature, sexy clothes.

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Katie
2/24/2015 08:17:02 am

Rachel, I'll try and collect some sources when I have the time, and I'll post them all at once.I frequently read about this stuff and don't save the links.
I think I am mostly romantic with a touch of ingenue (maybe 15-20%).
I love the fact that no two people of the same style identity look the same, because the amounts of each SI are different.
Looking a Marilyn, I definitely like her with more ingenue in her style than me (she might be 40% ingenue). She dressed full on romantic a lot but the ingenue made her look so sweet despite her sexiness.
I think Kylie Minogue is ingenue with a touch of romantic.
I think Rose McGowan is a Romantic Ingenue with a little more Romantic.
I think Emilia Clarke is Romantic Ingenue as well but she seems to dress Classic which makes her seem so matronly.

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Kate
2/16/2015 04:20:10 pm

I wonder where the "Earth Mother" body type fits?

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Rachel Arnt-Schemmel
2/17/2015 09:20:04 am

Hmm... Describe it?

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Kate
2/17/2015 02:31:43 pm

This is just my take but I would think it would concur with some ideas of the "Earth Mother" physique out there. Big bottom, big boobs, big BELLY, big thighs, possibly shortish or looks shortish because of proportions. Similar to the Venus of Willendorf's proportions, although she's perhaps supposed to be an exaggerated form, I see women around who have these very full proportions. I think what I'm asking is, can you be a Romantic if you have a big belly that obscures your waist to hip ratio? Are most "plus size" - forgive me if that offends anyone, it's not a very flattering phrase - Romantics?

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Mary Ellen
2/19/2015 03:51:08 pm

Please, someone, correct me if I am wrong about this, but I would think that any style essence could be plus sized. I say this because when people gain or lose weight, they get bigger or smaller but their overall proportions don't change. Even dramatics could put on weight, but their lines would still be quite straight. I'll use myself as an example-- I cary some extra weight in my torso, but my arms and legs are slim. My bum is flat and my hips are narrow. I have a full bust, but I don't have that sexy look, so I would say that I am not a romantic even though I sometimes need plus sized clothes. My proportions remain pretty much the same no matter my weight. I have a sister with a slender waist and larger hips; her proportions remain constant no matter her weight. She has that "come hither" look, and I think she is a romantic. I think that I am a natural-ingénue.

Dianne
12/26/2018 02:19:31 pm

Sounds very Venus of Willendorf.

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Kate
2/20/2015 07:31:35 am

Yes, the face really does count, doesn't it. I think women can become so caught up in the details of "dressing their bodies" that it can be easy to lose sight of the fact that your body includes everything from the shoulders up as well.

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Rachel Arnt-Schemmel
2/23/2015 12:43:41 pm

I think about all of this as an issue of human visual perception: what do we look at the most and the longest? Where do we look to make a judgment about a person's character? The face. Clothes have to fit the face.

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Rachel Arnt-Schemmel
2/23/2015 12:51:25 pm

I agree that plus-sized women can read as any style identity -- it's easy to imagine a plus-sized woman as any of the style identities.

It's not the case that one's style identity will necessarily be stable over the course of a lifetime. Our appearance changes; our style IDs can change too.

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Rachel Arnt-Schemmel
2/23/2015 01:01:22 pm

The low hip-to-waist ratio is a factor that strongly contributes to an R impression, but it's not necessary OR sufficient. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking Jennifer Coolidge is one woman who has a lot of R but also a thick waist?...

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Kate
2/25/2015 12:38:02 pm

Hi, I would like to ask a question about noses. I have a long nose. It has a high bridge, but it's not some kind of lovely, aristocratic looking thing, it's just a long, slightly wonky nose with a high bridge - it's a big nose. Slightly convex ridge. Not at all concave - not at all. The mid-section of my face is the longest part, longer than forehead and longer than nose-tip to chin. It's kind of "grandmotherly". Definitely not youthful. I can't really imagine where this kind of nose belongs in the style file of anywhere, really. I can look like a little ol' lady really easily. Any thoughts, anyone? All input appreciated and hope it's okay to ask this kind of general question here!

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K
8/23/2017 05:57:34 pm

I think this is ethereal. Esp because of what it says about looking mature and sort of faraway and ancient-looking. Treasure it! I'm a gamine ingenue who's always envied you ethereals and romantics! :)

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katherine
3/20/2015 05:26:24 pm

The part about types for men is really interesting! This is something I've wondered about for a while, partly because the person I know IRL who follows this is a guy. So the first person I think of when it comes to men typed as R -- and yeah, I feel like if any dudes read this they might think WHAT NO THAT CAN'T BE ME (well either that or "please please let that be me") -- is Prince. There are just a ton of photos like this but here's an illustrative one: http://blog.shopkoshka.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/9872566f2f21530c0aadf9b8a8f3b7b3.jpg

A little hard to see in this photo but in a lot of others (like his self-titled album) you can really see the sort of shoulders typical of Rs. Plus he's 5'2 which would be on the shorter side even for R women.

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Jonna
2/19/2016 03:19:28 pm

Hello, what a great post! Reading this made me think of a couple of things. First, my understanding of the mixes, mine being E/I/R as an example, is that my face will have elements from each of these. For example, my face shape is a slightly long oval-E, with small rosebud lips-I, and a long curvy nose-R. They are distinct as opposed to blended like a C but diverse enough that they have always confused me. Now, learning about the 3 feminine parts, they can be distinct without going to G, which I have very little of. Also, the strongish but soft bone structure issues made me and others wonder about N but it didn't work at all and I knew I wasn't sharp like D but now, the E bone structure is a great fit, long (appears), narrow but curved as opposed to sharp. I think to that any masculine lines on me stem, oddly perhaps, from the E because it borders D and N, but it is only in comparison to the R and I that is there. Compared to D or N people, I would look quite feminine. I could not pull off a man look or even androgynous well. I have also been called and casted as an old soul as well as fresh, innocent as well as a small touch of sultry and rather than cancelling each other, they are all there but show stronger depending on many things, dress, setting, mood etc. It's fascinating and I could go on forever. I am so relieved because Kibbe just never quite worked and now it's just falling into place. I hope this makes sense but I guess even if it doesn't to anyone else, it has helped me and I'm thankful. 😊

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Jonna
2/19/2016 09:04:28 pm

In my previous post I should have said that, compared to a D or N I would have be on the feminine side of the spectrum. I apologize for the previous wording. Thank you

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Rachel
2/25/2016 02:08:00 pm

I'm so glad. This really is a home for people who can't find themselves in Kibbe.

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Dianne
12/26/2018 02:42:49 pm

Thank you for this! It turns out that have a lot of Ingenue in my face and the Kibbe system just was not working for me.

Melina
9/8/2016 08:33:20 am

A very interesting analysis of features, Jonna! I also believe myself to be an R/I/E blend, and as facial features go, my round or almond-shaped eyes are very I, as is my nose; arched eyebrows both I and R, full lips and prominent cheekbones - R (or maybe something else, I'm not sure). E would have to be the long flowing hair and tall body, plus I definitely look most myself when gazing into far-off point and smiling knowingly, as described above. :)

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Jonna
9/8/2016 01:08:05 pm

Melina, yes, re-reading it now after several months, it is interesting, lol. I had forgotten that I wrote it! I must've been trying to get my own thoughts organized at the time. Interesting thing is that a few days ago I re-did the style analysis, thinking that I might see something new since Feb., and I came out even on Romantic, Ethereal and Classic this time. I'm tempted to purchase the sheet for that mix just so I can see which one seems more like me on a daily basis. But the good news was figuring out the E part which was a big piece of the puzzle I had been missing.

Deborah Edwards
7/8/2018 02:23:19 pm

Interesting re Kibbe. I thought I was a SN in Kibbe but even allowing for the 1980s style I thought the SN model looked as if she was in drag.

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Beth
10/10/2020 02:29:14 pm

I'm so grateful you shared this! I definitely have a romantic body type, but I always look awkward in sexy clothes - somehow they just don't match my essence. Your emphasis on "dressing for your face" and these descriptions have made me realise that I have a more ethereal face which is probably what I should be dressing for!

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